jim davidson and boris johnson

[paulo]

hi
i thought i might find drastic output clashing proper power(political correctness) in the new mayor of London Boris Johnson and i did.

but i was surprised not finding soemthing of the sort in comedian Jim Davidson`s chart. He is infamous and disliked for telling jokes about minorities, disabled and cancer sufferers, but amazingly he has only chi sha power.I expected more drastic output. Can you make sense of this?
maybe the lack of output to control chi sha makes him nasty
13 -12-53 at 7.20
bing wu jia gui
chen xu zi si

[Danny VdB]

One is a politician, and one is a comedian..
You expect a very similar chart?

One woman is a movie actress, the other is into weight lifting.
Do you expect the same legs?

[paulo]

no, i expect consistency, something that astrologers seem to lack, along with reasoning skill.
why dont you pick charts that dont fit so well as marion jones?
Did you learn that from Joseph?
I expect output in a comedian anyway. Anything else is «anything goes»

[paulo]

danny in the case of Jim oit is obvious chi sha without output to control it may be responsible for his attitudes.
but remember Heluo also has chi sha with only minor output to fight it. I believe in his case martial arts were an outlet

[Danny VdB]

At least now you are using your brain, Paulo.
When something appears inconsistent to us, it is often not because there is no consistency, but rather because we don't see where the consistency is.
And besides that. Life is not consistent, so why astrology should consistent? It is not.
If you want 100% consistency, then you need to get into mathematics, or perhaps mechanics..
Then don't try economics, medicine, meteorology or astrology.. because these are all inconsistent fields that do not yield consistent results all the time.

A politician and a comedian are different almost like day and night.
A politician is a most serious person, the comedian is bringing humor.
Yesterday I saw results of a study done in Holland, and the country's politicians had the lowest scores on sense of humor.

We can only expect their 4P charts to be quite different.
How they will be different?

The clown can say what he wants, even if it may offend a few people, because it is supposed to be jokes. So he needs no Output to control his Power.
The politician has to be careful what he says, because he needs enough votes to get into Power. That's why the politicians say what their voters want and expect to hear.
The comedian says what the audience does NOT expect to hear, otherwise there could be no possible humor.

Their jobs are obviously totally different.

Still you will find many different charts that belong to politicians or comedians. Then they will just have very different styles and approaches.

If you want total consistency, then you will not find it in astrology.
Because life is not like mathematics.. and fortunately so..

[paulo]

but you are not using yours. If astrology isnt consistent, how do you know power causes this or that? It could be anything else.How do you know what leads to what?

[Danny VdB]

>If astrology isnt consistent, how do you know power causes this or that? It could be anything else.How do you know what leads to what?


You don't know by the chart alone.
Power in itself causes nothing, or it leads to nothing.
It all depends how and when and where the person choses to use his Power. That's where our freedom is and that's why people with same chart can have very different lives.

You can give 5 people a bag of corn (just like 5 people can have same Drastic Output in their chart).
That doesn't mean you know what will happen.
One person may plant the corn.
The other one may eat it.
The third one may keep it in storage
The 4th gives it away to somebody else
The 5th one plants it in bad soil and it goes to waste.

All have started with the same bag of corn.

Is no different with 4P charts.
People can have the same chart, but what they do with it and when and where.., that will also decide what is the outcome of it..

That's why reading a 4P chart is much more complicated than just see a person has lot of Wealth in his chart and conclude he must be very rich.. That's the naieve way of reading charts.
Mozart had plenty strong Wealth in his chart, yet he died very poor.
Somebody who reads the 4P only superficially, will not understand why.

[paulo]

mozart has nothing to do with it, he was weak self, thats why he was poor.
what you dont seem to understand is that your argument shows that we couldnt know in the first place what power is or can do, since power as you say, may cause nothing.
you cant even say power represents anything, like authority or job. All you can say is the ancient chinese thought power brings power or problems, pressure, which is vague enough.
If Bill Gates is rich you say it was the wealth in his chart, if he remains poor you say he didnt fulfil his potencial. Theres always out for a clever astrologer

[paulo]

since you mentioned mozart, how do you know if a person whose chart should belong to a wealthy person is poor because he didnt fulfil his potencial,or simply cause bazi is doo doo?

After all Mozart may be weak, but he was famous and fulfilled his potencial, he should be wealthy.
still there are strong daymasters with wealth who are poor

[Danny VdB]

>Theres always out for a clever astrologer

D: It is no any different for the doctor, the economist or the weatherman...
Many times their prognosis turns out to be false, or the medicine doesn't help the patient...
Then the doctor (or economist) may come to give explanations why it didn't work like expected.
Will you understand him? Is it true? Or is he just giving clever excuses?

Unless you are an expert with similar experience in the field, how you will judge?


>how do you know if a person whose chart should belong to a wealthy person is poor because he didnt fulfil his potencial,or simply cause bazi is doo doo?


D: There is no way to know.
Everyone has to make such assessment for himself.
If doctor, weatherman or astrologer tries to tell me why something didn't pan out as expected, then I can either believe him or doubt it.
If I am not happy with believing or doubting, then the only way is to study and try find the answers for myself.

That's how it is in many domains, not only in astrology.