Mystery death

[Four Pillars]

Hello
There has been a test for different astrological systems at an Astrology forum about a man who had a violent death. The members were asked to tell when the man died and how. A difficult one but one Astrologer got it right by a few minutes.
If you want to have a go and guess how,in what kind of place and anything else about his death his data is:
3 june 1965
07.31 in Scarbourough,UK(DST)

I got the type of place right but failed on the year
T make it less exhausting the year of death was betwen 2000-2006

[Despina Tsobani]

Well Pedro,

To my calculations .... the man perhaps has been murdered with a metal object ,then the body was thrown in water sea or river in August 2004.Because there is a three harmony combination Rat (spouse palace or day pillar Branch) with Dragon in the hour and Monkey of the year 2004.(2004 was a yang wood metal) which is the water frame.there is also a destruction relation between the Dragon of the hour Pillar and the Monkey branch of the year 2004.
There is also a three harmony combination among the Si branch of the month and year branch ,the chou of the luck Pillar 39-49 and the Monkey of August producing metal. in accordance with another six combination snake+ monkey that produce water.

So too much water depletes his resource element fire ,metal weakens him as well ,and the in S.eptember 2004 he was dead.

(If we take in consideration analyse the characteristics of his Day Master Yang Wood -the hurting officer te weak element water in his spouse palace .the combination of the spouse palace with the hour branch ,Pouaro would have written a complete scenario.)

This is how i saw his chart

Despina

[pedro sousa]

you got two things right in your analysis but i`ll wait for more comments before i speak

Despina Tsobani said:

Well Pedro,

To my calculations .... the man perhaps has been murdered with a metal object ,then the body was thrown in water sea or river in August 2004.Because there is a three harmony combination Rat (spouse palace or day pillar Branch) with Dragon in the hour and Monkey of the year 2004.(2004 was a yang wood metal) which is the water frame.there is also a destruction relation between the Dragon of the hour Pillar and the Monkey branch of the year 2004.
There is also a three harmony combination among the Si branch of the month and year branch ,the chou of the luck Pillar 39-49 and the Monkey of August producing metal. in accordance with another six combination snake+ monkey that produce water.

So too much water depletes his resource element fire ,metal weakens him as well ,and the in S.eptember 2004 he was dead.

(If we take in consideration analyse the characteristics of his Day Master Yang Wood -the hurting officer te weak element water in his spouse palace .the combination of the spouse palace with the hour branch ,Pouaro would have written a complete scenario.)

This is how i saw his chart

Despina

[Danny VdB]

Hi P.


Just like everybody else this person can die any moment after he is born.
It does not depend on the birth chart only.

Of course , if you ask enough people then a few of them will come close with their guess.


Danny

[Sibylle]

Hi,
absolutely, Danny, I agree with you.

Sibylle

[pedro sousa]

he had a particularly bad western chart. The ruler of House of Death was malefic Saturn, which was in an angle opposite mars, just like that French King who died in a Jostling tournament after being speared through the eye.
He died in Australian outback(snake-fire) in april 2002. Two fire combos active in that year. He crashed his car and fell in a river. His body was never recovered ,probably taken by Crocs.
Saturn in MC as ruler of h8 can cause death by falling from heights according to Ptolemy`s Tetrabiblos.

Do you notice the similarities with Steve Irwin`s death? the Tiger was involved so was fire

Danny VdB said:

Hi P.


Just like everybody else this person can die any moment after he is born.
It does not depend on the birth chart only.

Of course , if you ask enough people then a few of them will come close with their guess.


Danny

[pedro sousa]

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4620

Above the thread

Danny VdB said:

Hi P.


Just like everybody else this person can die any moment after he is born.
It does not depend on the birth chart only.

Of course , if you ask enough people then a few of them will come close with their guess.


Danny

[Despina Tsobani]

So my friends what is astrology all about? I visited the link Pedro rovided and it seems that it is hard to predict one's life path for sure.And now I come to believe according to the Quantum theory that nothing can be predicted and nothing is real until the presence of the observer,that means the observer ,the man, can change the output with the strength of his will and the strengh of his mind,The Newtonian mechanics theory that every result of an action can be predicted is over.So I am quite sceptical if astrology is over ,too.What do you think?

Despina

[Agnes Galabova]

I have always wondered how can be predricted the life span of two persons with equal natal charts. And their fate is different after all. The examples are numerous /twins for example/. So there is something else which exists, and its not given to us to know the information in 100%. According to me a natal chart may propose the overall tendencies of the person, but in order to follow his Path, which way he will choose, how he will accept the obstacles, will he be "permitted" to do it etc., etc., etc. these are too many variables that we cannot possibly just read in a horoscope.
In Pedro's'case the only thing that grabbed me, at first glance, was that to that man it will be difficult to reach his old ages.

But you did manage very good. Well done!

Agnes

Despina Tsobani said:

So my friends what is astrology all about? I visited the link Pedro rovided and it seems that it is hard to predict one's life path for sure.And now I come to believe according to the Quantum theory that nothing can be predicted and nothing is real until the presence of the observer,that means the observer ,the man, can change the output with the strength of his will and the strengh of his mind,The Newtonian mechanics theory that every result of an action can be predicted is over.So I am quite sceptical if astrology is over ,too.What do you think?

Despina

[pedro sousa]

Knowing astrology can help prevent a few things but not all.
Today is Yi Mao day clahing with Xin in my chart. I tend to get in trouble with moderators on those days(grin for Danny). But I can choose to stay way from forums on those days, but if im working with othersi may not always be able to prvent conflict, unless i hide at home
As for skeptics have a look at the astrology test theyre conducting at www.randi.org forum. So much talk always going in circles ,and they still cant decide on a proper test. It looks like they want to ensure the test will give poor results for Astro Teacher. LOL

Despina Tsobani said:

So my friends what is astrology all about? I visited the link Pedro rovided and it seems that it is hard to predict one's life path for sure.And now I come to believe according to the Quantum theory that nothing can be predicted and nothing is real until the presence of the observer,that means the observer ,the man, can change the output with the strength of his will and the strengh of his mind,The Newtonian mechanics theory that every result of an action can be predicted is over.So I am quite sceptical if astrology is over ,too.What do you think?

Despina

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[pedro sousa]

I was mentioning yi-xin clash and it just happened. I asked a colleague what the rules for teaches and students are as i cant guess them, and the Head teacher, who seeems to be a walking contradiction, complained about my tone.
She always uses an agressive tone in her posts and now tells me that LOL.
I decided to stay away from Cyberspace until midnight to avoid further ado.
I may indeed move to Germany/Switzerland in december while I got money. If i have to put up with this kind of thing better have it in a place where i like to live. Here when s..t happens my first instinct is to take the first plane abroad

[Despina Tsobani]

Hi Agnes,

You see minor influences were the detrimental ones for Pedro's example.With all those combinations,destructions in 2004 for that unfortunate young man,I was so sure for the date,all the other scenarios ,well I did not even know if that man was married anyway...

For the twins..From an example I have ,feng Shui of the place they live ,relationships with spouses ,might be a cause for different outcomes for the twins.One of the twins I have known used to live in an appartment where there where four deaths of cancer.Grandma-grandpa-mum and dad.Very chocking coincidence!!!

Despina

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[Agnes Galabova]

I have a friend who had a twin sister /had because she died from breast cancer this year/. Worrying about her sisters condition she asked me if I can help with the 4p method. They hoped that she could live and did really everything to cope with the desease. Their natal charts were almost the same /just with a 10 minutes difference in the birthhour/, but still one and the same animal. Well I didn't like the elements and animals configuration, but what could I say when the other sister /the one with the reqest/ is with a blossoming health.???!!! And this year is a very good year for her as far as I understood exept for her dead sister!!The ill one was bad tempered, impatient and rich, the healthy one is not so financially strong but caring and nice. They lived in their own flats. The only thing in common was their divorse with the hasbands, and each of them has one son.

So maybe that bad experience should have happened in order give way to another challange!
Well that was just an opinion.....

Agnes

Despina Tsobani said:

Hi Agnes,

You see minor influences were the detrimental ones for Pedro's example.With all those combinations,destructions in 2004 for that unfortunate young man,I was so sure for the date,all the other scenarios ,well I did not even know if that man was married anyway...

For the twins..From an example I have ,feng Shui of the place they live ,relationships with spouses ,might be a cause for different outcomes for the twins.One of the twins I have known used to live in an appartment where there where four deaths of cancer.Grandma-grandpa-mum and dad.Very chocking coincidence!!!

Despina

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