Accidents

[Iancu Nicolae]

Hello to everybody...a few years ago I realize a scary fact that in every monkey/rooster year, starting from my birth year / 1956 monkey year/ I have a serious accident or illness - and in the rest of the years nothing serious.

1/ in 1957 spring - encephalitis - an almost deadly brain infection
2/ 1969 appendicitis - an inflammation of the appendix which was resolved by emmergency surgery - not deadly but serious
3/ 1981 car accident - almost deadly head injury
4/ 1992 work accident - "only" the right leg broked by 400 kg glass/mirror/ sheets
5/ 2004 pulmonary embolism - almost deadly

After such a "black series" which happened only in certain years/monkey + rooster/ it is normal that I start to dig to find the root of this situation which could repeat himself in 2016/2017. I start by asking and paying a large number of BaZi reports /14 pcs/ from many MASTERS and "masters" all over the world ... unfortunately no one of this reports can not find the reason of my accidents / without any doubt/ so I start to learn BaZi ...learning BaZi and wandering in the world of BaZi, looking for friends.
That's why I am here

[Iancu Nicolae]

Dear All
I want to clarify something: I am a BaZi outsider so my observations was picked & analized with an NON-BaZi logic...motivated by my repetated accidents I have observed in my close family and friend circle and then in the media that some aged people are more affected by accidents then others and this tendency is in a yearly change

...also I have made some other interesant observations which, at first glance, contradict partially with BaZi rules...but, it seems, they are real. The reality of my observations is gived by statistics which, if they are collected correctly, impartially and the observed phenomenon is supported by the collected datas the phenomenon must be accepted as totally or partially correct.

I am not an "enemy" of BaZi to use counterfait statistics as weapon to destroy the credibility of BaZi but I am just a curious man who try to explain for himself some observed "mysteries" which, probably, are well knowed already by others...thats all

I am a respectfull follower of the Chinese Martial Arts and Yi Jing from 1972 - my respect is sincere and there is no place any kind of tricks related to any part of chinese metaphisics

[Danny VdB]

> But please do not forget-EWERYBODY can do this observations... so those datas are not my "nightmares" but carefuly colected and documented facts.

Hi Iancu, Paivi, all,



I don't know where you get your data as easy as you are telling us.
In my part of the world, when accidents are reported by the media, it generally doesn't give you the birth data of the person(s). At most it tells us the age of the person, but that doesn't give us their birth year.
So only if it is famous people you can go look up the date on internet.

As per what you wrote in your first post, neither Carradine nor Ruby fit the criteria you propose.
You said that in Ox year, the collateral victims are Pig.

Paivi seems to suggest that all Branches in the triangle with either year or clashing year are being considered.
But in that case we have will 6 Branches out of 12 , so it is guaranteed that 50% of deaths will occur in those years.

We will see what extra "observations" you come up with, but of course if we include harms and penalties too, then we will soon have 70% accurate.
But it is not significant if it is guaranteed to be so by simple mathematics of chance.


If you want to test or prove your theory, then no need to watch the news.
astro-databank lists 1222 cases of accidental deaths.
Just search for "accidental death" and you can find the names and data.


Danny

[Iancu Nicolae]

Dear Annie
you wrote:
"Every year there happen so many accidents, many of them not reported and remaining unknown for the public..."

Yes BUT I have observed the media related accidents - and 84% sustain my observations...I consider that media related accidents mirror the WHOLE related and unrelated accidents principle- as a drop of ocean contain the essence of the WHOLE ocean.

[Iancu Nicolae]

Dear Danny
In any part of the world the accidents are related in the same way : "John Doe (24) was killed in a car crash"...thats all. Just pick a few hundred of this kind of morbid news and play with the ages and you will observe the same phenomenon like me.

I am an BaZi outsider so I am not following the BaZi rules when observing the accidents...I am using my own logic.
And also, as an old KungFu practitioner I could observ in the past 35 years that usualy chinese metaphisics has no unified theoretical background - I guess that BaZi, as a chinese metaphisical art, has the same problem: each Master and "master" has his own different way and oppinion about the same problem..so I guess that my observations are well know facts by somebody

[Annie Pecheva]

Hi Iancu,

Your replies are as fast as a martial artist. ;-)

> I consider that media related accidents mirror the WHOLE related and unrelated accidents principle-
> as a drop of ocean contain the essence of the WHOLE ocean.

Sure. You are right about that. But it will be better to obtain the whole birth date of the affected person, while the media will usually reveal only his age. This is kind of too general and not precise... In my opinion, working only with the year of birth is not enough to make such conclusions. It often leads to generalizations.

> "Every year there happen so many accidents, many of them not reported and remaining unknown for the public..."

Here I mean something else.

Annie

[Danny VdB]

Hi Iancu,


What is your relationship to Ba Zi is not the topic here.
This network is open for anyone who is interested.

We are simply looking at the idea you bring on the table (and ask our feedback on..)
You don't want us to blindly accept your theory without even the slightest scrutiny, do you?

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The problem I see with your John Doe (24) is that his real birth day can be 20 March 1985, or it can also be 15 October 1984.
In both cases the media will list him as age 24 if he died yesterday.
But in the first case has was born Ox year, in the second case he is a Rat year.
You see the Year Branch cannot be concluded from the age listed in the newspaper
So your method of collecting data is already highly questionable, especially since you use the Year Branch as the basis for your theory.

The second problem is , that with all the "collateral victims" you derive from the triangle frames, you get so many Branches that you are guaranteed to have half of the people dying in those years.
It would be strange if people did not have accidents in those years.

So far I can't see anything significant in what you propose , but maybe that will come with your extra observations...


Danny

[Iancu Nicolae]

Dear Danny
1. I do not want to convince nobody and I do not ask nothing...just put a problem on the table ...If somebody consider that it is a nonsens it can ignore my observations
2.I think that BaZi, with his many, too many, schools , is not correct to be considered as the ONLY life science...so the logic: "what does not fit to BaZi is not real" is a mistake...this is my oppinion.
3.John Doe age problem- 24 or almost 25- is not a real problem - is just a point of wiew question...if you aproach from an other point it is clear.

My further observations will contradict severely some BaZi ground theories - I hope that with my poor english I will be able to explain it correctly

[Iancu Nicolae]

Dear Annie
just follow my "outsider" logic: - without ANY bazi knowledge just colect minim 6 months accident related news and you will see, your own, the same phenomenon - in every year ,in order of accurence, the 30, 36,42,48,24,54,60,72 years old people are victims and NOT 23 or 37 or 55years old...why?
So forgott the BaZi for a moment and use your own logic : or I have collected in wrong way my statistics or my statistics is corect and it must be explain somehow...can BaZi explain ? - thats OK - cannot? thats OK too...

[Danny VdB]

Hi Iancu,

If you consider the official age only, rather than the Year Branch, then your observations have nothing to do with the person's Ba Zi.
Because if you only look at age given newspaper, then you will be considering the wrong year Branch exactly half of the time.
So whatever you then observe has nothing to do with their Year being clashed or being in collateral triangle.

Then your theory simply comes down to : people have more accidents during their even number ages.

But I don't see any evidence for that.
Just looking at the first page of astrodatabank listings for accidental deaths gives us these ages:
53, 40, 29, 32, 59, 38, 28,..

Looks perfectly normally distributed to me, and odd ages are not at all rare, as you suggest.
Anyone who wants to waste his time going through all cases will probably find that ages are pretty equal distributed between even and odd.

This has nothing to do with "outsider logic", it's about look at the reality.
Astro databank has not hand picked their data for your purposes, so it's the perfect sample to test your idea.

Danny

[Päivi Vilkki]

Hi Annie and all,

Annie Pecheva said:

Hi,

David Carradine has an interesting chart - 3 times rat + 1 horse (in the hour).

According to astro.com he is born at 8 December 1936 at 12:00 (= 12:00 noon ).

In regard to the accidents topic, imo this is a multi-dimentional issue and includes many aspects. I have done some research (not that extended as Iancu) of reported accidents, and there are some trends for the clash, etc., however there are also a lot of other circumstances and influences. Every year there happen so many accidents, many of them not reported and remaining unknown for the public. Life is a complex issue.

Annie

Thank you for the birth hour. His chart is really something special and so are the pillars of the time of death.

Indeed, many more factors need to be studied to see why for example a clash of year branch brought death as for many people the same brings happy things.

Päivi

[Päivi Vilkki]

Hi Danny,

Danny VdB said:

Paivi seems to suggest that all Branches in the triangle with either year or clashing year are being considered.

Thanks for pointing this out. I am not suggesting so. Momentarily I was only thinking in triangles and snake and ox belong to the same triangle. Of course this is not what Iancu proposed. Instead he was writing about the sanhe of the clashing branch.

Päivi

[lucy ng]

Hi lancu,


I really wish some kind hearted master will come forward and help U in yr avert and prevent history to repeat.

All the best and I pray that no more bad thing will happen onto U

Regards,

Lucy